Shilpkar

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Who are they?

The generic term Shilpkar, or Shilpakar, is used for all of Indian people groups regarded as low castes. For generations they have produced ropes, fans and mats. A few are sweepers and scavengers (same as the low-caste Bhangi and Churha communities). The Shilpkar are also skilled artisans and performers.

The Indian leader and freedom fighter, Lala Lajpat Rai, was moved to see the terrible circumstances in which the Dom lived on his visit to the Kumaon hills in 1911. He found them to be highly skilled craftsmen and considered their exploitation by the high caste Hindus as extremely unjust. He declared that it was improper to call them Dom, therefore being identified with the outcastes such as the scavengers and sweepers, and thus named them Shilpkar – Hindi for craftsman. They were officially recognized as Shilpkar in 1925 by the British government. Today, they resent being called Dom, or Dum, hence this derogatory term is no longer used. They are synonymously referred to as Dom, Dum, Ram, Arya and Harijan. Ram, Arya, Tamta, Koli and Lohar are common surnames among this community.

Location

The Shilpkar live mainly in the hilly areas of Uttaranchal and Uttar Pradesh, predominantly in the districts of Dehradun, Pauri Garhwal, Chamoli, Uttarkashi, Tehri Garhwal, Haridwar, Almora, Pithoragarh, Nainital, and Pilibhit. They number around 1.2 million.

Origin

Ethnologist, E.T. Atkinson (The Himalayan Gazetteer, 1882), wrote that the Shilpkar claim an exalted origin as descendants of a Brahmin (highest Hindu priestly caste) named Gorakhnath who was made an outcast because he ate ritually forbidden food. Atkinson writes that the Shilpkar are of an aboriginal, non-Aryan stock and were reduced to slavery by the Khasia and other immigrant high castes. He describes them as servants of the Khasia in the hilly regions of Kumaon, Garhwal and along the hills as far west as the Indus River valley.

Language

They speak the language of regions that they live in, such as the Indo-Aryan languages Kumaoni, Garhwali and Jaunsari. Hindi is the common language of these regions.

Listed as a Scheduled Caste (SC) under the provisions of the Indian Constitution, the government grants them many privileges and benefits. These advantages, such as fixed quotas in government jobs and higher educational institutions, lower selection benchmarks in various competitive examinations, reserved seats in Parliament and the state legislatures are intended to assist the SC’s lift themselves out of the dismal life of poverty into which they are born.

The Shilpkar accept food and water from all higher castes but they in turn do not and treat them as a low caste, belonging to the ‘unclean’ Sudra – the lowest class of servants. They usually live on the outskirts of villages and hamlets, away from other communities.

What are their lives like?

Occupational subgroups of the Shilpkar still pursue their hereditary occupations like blacksmithing, coppersmith, basketry, bamboo mat-making, stone work, carpentry, masonry, oil-pressing, drum beating and leather work. They are also known for entertainment – dancing at weddings and religious functions for the upper castes, as well as making earthen or clay smoking pipes or wooden utensils, tailoring, weaving, pottery, woodcarving and wood-engraving and other crafts. Ferrying, fishing, making rope-bridges and washing gold dust out of sand are the traditional occupations of those Shilpkar who live near rivers.

Most are also simultaneously engaged in agriculture, horticulture, animal husbandry or small-scale poultry farming to supplement their meager incomes. Some work as sharecroppers to higher caste farming families. Some peddle bangles, combs, mirrors, toys or firewood or do odd jobs. There are also some teachers, businessmen, pharmacists and defense personnel among them.

The literacy levels of the Shilpkar are quite low. The dropout rate after primary school is high, especially for girls. Slowly, due to the impact of government-sponsored development programs, their socio-economic condition is improving. They have benefited greatly from schemes to provide drinking water, electricity, irrigation, nutrition, rural employment and self-employment. Many landless Shilpkar families have been the beneficiaries of government subsidies for house construction and have received free land as well. The Shilpkar utilize both traditional and modern medical treatments. They are open to family planning methods. They do not use banks for loans and remain dependent and in debt to shopkeepers and private moneylenders.

Customs

The Shilpkar marry as adults although child marriages are common among some subgroups. A man acquires his wife through negotiation, exchange, mutual consent or even elopement. He may take a second wife in cases such as barrenness. Among the Kolta Shilpkar, polyandry- the practice of having more than one husband at one time is also acceptable. Vermilion (sindur), nose-rings and nose studs are the marriage symbols for women. Unlike other castes, traditionally it is the groom who pays a bride-price to the bride’s father. This is still practiced by many subgroups of the Shilpkar, though some have taken to the custom of getting a dowry.

Nuclear families now predominate over extended families. Parental property is divided among the sons with the firstborn son receiving a larger share than the others. He also succeeds his father as head of the family. Shilpkar women are better regarded and play a crucial role in economic activities, family management and decision-making in addition to domestic duties. However, in some subgroups like the Beda or Baddi, the women become prostitutes due to dire poverty. Social control among the Shilpkar is in the hands of an informal council. This council consists of respected community elders.

The Shilpkar have a rich oral tradition. Some of these subgroups such as the Damai, Dholi, Bajgi and Hurkiya possess a great repertoire of folklore and narrate stories in dramatic detail. The Dholi Shilpkar sing the jhora on religious occasions accompanied by frenzied beating of drums, which induces a state of demonic possession or trance. Men and women join in folksongs and folkdances accompanied by their traditional musical instruments like the large, single-membrane kettledrum, cymbal and flute.

What are their beliefs?

The Shilpkar are Hindus and worship numerous regional gods and goddesses. Some of these deities are Nag (king cobra), Bhairon (one of Shiva’s attributes – terrible or fearsome), Kali (goddess and wife of Shiva) and many others. There is a strong belief in the occult. The shaman or medicine man is sought to deal with sickness, evil spirits and to appease the gods and goddesses. Along with the fortune teller, he acts as an oracle and foretells future events in a trance. Sometimes women act as exorcists. Animal sacrifices are performed either routinely as an act of worship or on the instruction of a shaman. As a ritually unclean community, they are not permitted the services of a Brahmin priest. Their ceremonies are therefore performed by a relative who acts as a priest. The dead are cremated and a period of death pollution is observed. Ancestor worship is observed.

The Shilpkar celebrate Hindu festivals like Diwali (festival of lamps), Maha Shivaratri (great night of Shiva), Holi (festival of colours), Navratri (festival of nine nights) and Ghee Teohar (butter festival). The new moon and full moon days of each month are also celebrated. Major sacred centers for pilgrimage are Kedarnath, Badrinath, Gangotri, Yamunotri, Nandprayag and Haridwar in Uttar Pradesh.

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    • Mr mv Singh koli we were very said to say and write to you that you have a little knowlge about koli casst of uttrakhand. in your knowleg that koli casst of uttrakhand was a rajvansi Rajput casst of bifor craist for example the wife of gautam buddha was a koli rajkuamari so you are quite wrong ther are Many example says that koli is a first lain rajput in uttrakhand sinc 25thausend years ago plese change your maind and donot write again that koli is a silpkar.For more informtion pli 226 high cort u.k23 march 2012 see the prisedent of rajputana sewa samti u.k uday singh negi

  1. As per the Gazett of India 1949 or so on , there is no Kohli Shilpkar in Uttrakhand.

  2. thax for information , please provide more information & day to day activities.

      • my dear let me know you in my view koli is not a surname but it is a clan which belong to kuninda kingdom , the first kingdom of uttarakhand . so you can used the name kulinda, kolin as surname. other fact is the ancient name of kuninda is kulinda which originate from kolin+da and first ruler of koli clan was amogbhuti

  3. It is very good and knowledgeable information about Kumauni Shilpkars. Bhangi and Churha communities and Koli caste is not include(found) in Kumaouni Shilpkars sub castes.

  4. What is the authenticity of these facts about Shilpkar of Uttarakhan???

  5. Vijay Kumar
    Delhi
    Shilpkars are original people of uttarakhand. the region was originally setteled by Shilpkars. Latter other people like Khasas come in the region. Shilpkars were basically engineers of society. They used to make tools for agriculture, houses and forts,temles and every item which was necessary for society.
    In other words their contribution for society was remarkable. Unfortunatly Indian society never recognised ther valuble role and contribution.

    • Indian is a poor minded country , its people could;t understand what is meaning of shilpkar, its mean a good knowledge of engineering ,architect on that time , only shilpkar provided home ,kila , mandir,gurudwara,and many other needfull things to other , but they still could not get proper respect
      due to chearter community. if they peoples live in western countries definatly get well reward and will be top of other caste, there was some dabang people made them to always in down line .they were well technician.upper caste had made unnecessary pressure on them , they have suffered lot, there is one most important thing that upper caste people was not cultured and educated, but thank god, today;s generation is not believe in this fake caste category. if we want developed country we should follow
      western system there is no caste all are equal so they have so development.

    • i am belong to the khas Rajput from Nepal. most of the modern khas people lives in the hill and mountains in Nepal.in Nepal this silpkar people are called dalits, after failing under the influence of the Indian caste system.they are always been discriminated because of their dark skin too. this people are really the great engineers as you mentioned. they make the jewelries, weapons, desingn the clothes for the so called high castes people. but now a days they are more devoid Hindus and any other Nepali Hindus. they follow the Santana dharma and have their own priest. they also stopped eating the all the tabooed Hindu meats that they previously used to consumed.

  6. Koli Rajput is not included in shilpkar . koli rajput is a kshatriya cast and may be belongs to koligarh king in ancient period.

  7. “The Indian leader and freedom fighter, Lala Lajpat Rai, was moved to see the terrible circumstances in which the Dom lived on his visit to the Kumaon hills in 1911. He found them to be highly skilled craftsmen and considered their exploitation by the high caste Hindus as extremely unjust. He declared that it was improper to call them Dom, therefore being identified with the outcastes such as the scavengers and sweepers, and thus named them Shilpkar – Hindi for craftsman. They were officially recognized as Shilpkar in 1925 by the British government. Today, they resent being called Dom, or Dum, hence this derogatory term is no longer used. They are synonymously referred to as Dom, Dum, Ram, Arya and Harijan. Ram, Arya, Tamta, Koli and Lohar are common surnames among this community.”

    Thank you very much for your kind efforts, but in my belief nothing has changed in terms of being called in whatsoever word or manner, koli the shilpikar are still considered as Dom and untouchable.. though they worked hard for building society ( never even worked as scavengers and sweepers, in fact there isn’t any caste or clan of this type in Uttrakhand ) side lined by outsider major castes . some of them live in upper caste ( rana, rawat and many more ) disguise when they migrate outside uttranchal .

    nothing is going to change there…

  8. Kolis are not part of shilpkar and doms as mentioned in this blog. And let me remind you that Kolis of Garhwal are not at all included in Schedule caste list/gazzette of India and Uttrakhan state. Kolis are Rajputs ands we call ourself Koli Rajputs. In Garhwal lower caste do not have their own land for farming. So people who are shilpkar and people from lower caste used to work in farmlands of Upper Caste. Only upper caste (Rajput, khstariya, brahim, thakur) have the farmland in Garhwal. Koli Rajputs across the Garhwal have their own farmlands. This is one of the proof that Kolis are not from lowercaste, instead they are RAJPUTS, so our community is Koli Rajput. Koli Rajput of Garhwal are not listed as SC in notifications of India and Uttranchal state. Some people of Koli Rajput community have brought disgrace to entire community by becoming harijan. There are communities in different states whoese name sounds similiar to Koli Rajput of Garhwal like Kolis (Fishermen) of Maharastha, south india, Kohli of Punjab, Koli Khastriye of Gujrat and Himachal. If someone would club Koli Rajput of Garhwal with Kolis of Maharastra ( machuvare) and label them lower caste then also think about Kohli of Punjab. It is just that our community name sounds similar to lower caste of other states and it not at all means Koli Rajput of Garhwal are from Lower caste. I request the person Who have written this blog to check the facts and government notifications before labelling koli Rajput as lower caste. It is indeed true that some people from this community procured harijan certificates hence they are outcast from rest of Koli Rajput community. Such practices are everywhere in India. People acquire fake SC certificates for govt benefits and subsidy. Koli Rajputs outcast and denounce such people who procures Harijan Certificates. One more important thing is that Koli is not a surname.

  9. @ wwddwd :—- Kindly check ist of lower castes of India and uttrakhand and go through the history of Koli Rajput. Shilpkars are the extractions of Kols. Koli Rajputs are not shilpkars check in your village and in the vicninty of your native place. And do check the List of lower caste of Uttrakhand government and union of Inida.

  10. Koli’s are basically migrated from Ramgram village (Now in Jharkhand) after the death of Mahatama Budha, as the upper brahmins are against the education of Budhas. After the death of mahatama Budh they started tortured the followers of Budhas and set on fire to Nalanda Vishwavidyala. koli’ people migrated to Gujrat, uttar pradesh and Maharastra. Koli people are very much simple( as educated by the mahatama budha) and hardworking people. Gujrat has maximum number of Kolis, 59% of the total population of Gujrat. They decide the Majority of the Government in power in Gujrat. In Uttranchal they are only 0.4% of the total population. And upper caste are torturing them as kolis are their slaves. They should know the facts of this caste. In Gujrat they are in General Category. In Uttranchal and Uttar pradesh kolis are suffering and near future they will migrate from these states I am very thankful to Sh. Pawan Singh Negi that he has highlighted the facts of the Koli caste.

  11. can anyone tell me what is the meaning of dom in uttarakhand as mentioned on this blongs.

    • There is very neccesary a research excussively about Baddi , who are leaving their original job because of various reason. Baddees are quite different from the other cast, they are real Kalakar of singing, drama,and craft-work etc.

    • dear ramola, as you want to no about the meaning of dom means the who burns the dead bodies in the ghat, in uttarakhand it is the nick name given by the upper caste people to lower caste people. In uttarakhand there are so many shiilpakars mainly Tamtas, Oda, lohars they were unavoiadable part of the society. They were skilled people and they used to be self sufficiant. in the society. During time of British rules when thing were imported from Britain and Indian artisan become Jobless and they have lead poor life. They had to work in the farm of so called upper caste for bread and butter. so, they had classified as a slave and nick name given by as dum. In uttarakhand even uppercaste people are not that much educated, so they are very mean minded they, their thinking is very limited therefore they dosent come out of their thinking. Bramihins dont go for their house to perforom retuels because during those deys they were poor people they canot offer them good amount of dakshina that was the main reason of not dong retuals for thems. Main drawback was these people is their poorness “Garibaak shain sabak baouj” that is whay they dared to name as dum.

      • Hi to Everybody……. Lohar and Badai are son of the God Viashwakarma, If all are untouable then Please Removed or stopped the Vishwakarma Pooja in all Industries, factories, and school. God Vishwakarma Was Engineer. So India there too Much lack of Information about Vishwakarma Samajh …. They are Brahmin By Birth…. ok Please update your Knowledge about vishwakarma . they only poor economically not untouchable and bhangi all that…

      • Hi to Everybody……. Lohar and Badai are son of the God Viashwakarma, If all are untouable then Please Removed or stopped the Vishwakarma Pooja in all Industries, factories, and school. God Vishwakarma Was Engineer. So India there too Much lack of Information about Vishwakarma Samajh …. They are Brahmin By Birth…. ok Please update your Knowledge about vishwakarma . they only poor economically but not untouchable and bhangi all that… . there is too much big difference between vishwakarma and bhangi just like Pandey, Tiwari, Dubey and Bhangi…..

  12. Plz check propr history about shilpkars of uttranchal, they are the starting point of uttranchal, and they belong with a Brahman relgn if to research on the same you found many real fact plz work on that but today no budy can wan to read it, find propr history and shilpkars not called as Dom Dum

    • koli is not same as shilpkar. basically no axext definition is provided in shilpkar . koli rajpoot are delibrately assume as shilkar which is legally rong . in recent case is filed against in rishikesh tehsil a babu (govt. official ).Rishikesh tehsil of this district where the babus classified ‘kolis’ as members of the scheduled caste, though they are not in the category. This was reportedly done by them deliberately to prevent some members of the community from selling their land.

      Though officials of the teshil when contacted admitted that ‘kolis’ are not scheduled caste as per the state records, but could not give reasons why members of the community were not being allowed to sell their land, though some members of the community wirth the right connections were allowed to do so in Rishikesh tehsil itself.

      How come there are two set of rules in one teshil baffles, but then the babus have their won ways of interpreting things depending upon which course of action they want to take.

      And surprisingly when a member of the community contacted officials of the tehsil saying that he wanted to sell his land, a case was registered against the official stating that being a scheduled caste, he was trying to sell his land to general category people.

      so. So fact is koli rajput is not same as shilpkar . and we are the descendant of kulinda kingdome which is first ruler in uttarakhand after kols tribe .

      • Hi,

        Yes you are right that Koli caste is not notified in the state Record as SC but there is already Uttarakhand Govt Order to issue “SC” caste certificate to “Koli” caste. You can file “RTI” application to get information on same if you don’t believe my statement.

        This is the reason that tehsil is mentioning that Koli’s are in SC.
        Incase you have “Koli” written in your Land Revenue Record i can bet that any teshsil in UTTARAKHAND will be making you “SC” certificate b/c of Uttarakhand Govt. Order.

        thanks
        Amit

        • HELLO

          Yes, you are absolutely correct but in tehsil koli people name is sended as hindu shilpkar while it is wrong . tehsil can not know any village person cast until the pradhan did not intimate them . so inspite of be rajput some person get benefit of sc certificate. I want to tell you something interesting news about Rawat Cast. Rawat cast was in sc list in utter pradesh from origin to uttarakhand to till now and when uttarakhand state was not bhild rawat cast was in sc list and they people got the benefit of this . then why they are considered rajput since 70 to 80% rawat cast was in uttarakhand when the uttarakhad was bhild. dear if you wriiten koli in your land revenue record and tehsil make sc certificate then you can file the case becouse it is legal . No tehsil can issue such sc certificate like this.

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  14. i live in almora where my 10 friends also with me getting sir name koli they happen to be complete SC category they are not rajput as read above i dont know why all are confused . there is no question of confusion.

    • i think you did not see the sc list of uttarakhand . uttarakhand govt. already declare that all koli/ koli rajput did not come under sc and st. for example. if 1000 people called tiger as fox , it dosent mean that the tiger assumed himself fox . i thik you understand the theme . . . the person who use sc certificate does not mean that truth becomes the false. think reasonably about this.

  15. Dear members,
    I have the honour to say that my wife Sumita Arya has a caste certificate of silpkar from dwarhat(almorah) uttrakhand.I want to know that is she able to get the sc caste certifiacte in M.P bhopal/or any other case certificate.as i googled the govt of M.P ,they does not reconise the silpkar community.kindly let me know the detailed information about this
    Regards
    Mohit Mukherjee

  16. Sir, I respect the knowledge you have shared with people. But after reading this article it seems that you are unaware of real fact. I am also a resident of kumaoun and know these people and place. Arya or Tamta are totally different from other sweepers or bhangi. They can not be included in the same category. The contribution of harijans of Kumaoun in economic, political, social and other fields is appreciable. In this article you have defined SC people as if this year is 1947. It is 2012 sir open your eyes they are not the same they were 50 years back. They are Doctors Engineers and many more. In this article they are defined as if they are not even hindus, they have the same rituals as higher cast follows. They worship same God as Hindus does from years. This is fact that in Uttarakhand, People will never ask “what you do?” “what is your qualification” “what is your first name” straightaway they will ask “what is your caste?”. This is the reality of Uttarakhandi janta, that is why our state is still 30-40 years behind and will remain the same till the time Rajputs Brahmins and other higher Caste will not think that these harijans are also a part of society and should be appreciated for their contribution.

    Regards
    CS Bisht

    • Bhangis, who got this name because they were cultivators of “Bhang”/Hemp, were also NEVER Hindus in their history. They worshiped a god called “Lal Beg” and have their own secretive prayers to him, although lately they are also being Brahmanized/Hinuized by fascists of RSS. “Lal Beg” originates from “Lal Bek/Lal Bhikshu” (Red monk) because Bhangis were initially Buddhists and they were NEVER sweepers. We the native Indians should all unite instead of disparaging each other. This is the reason I informed you about the true history of Bhangis.

    • ur views r highly appreciable. u correctly mentioned the reason behind the backwardness of our region.
      the dirty habit of pahari people of asking cast first instead of education etc will not go if people like koli
      keep arguing to beof rajputs origins. if u do not want to come above this mean thinking how can economically sound people accept u at par with them. in my view some people are low cast by whatever name u call them simply because their forfathers were economically weak and they were
      used by economically sound people as slaves. in modern time when everybody has chance to rise
      people should leave dirty habits.

  17. Totally agree with remarks made by Mr C S Bisht. The ground reality is still same even in urban areas….you meet a person…and he comes to know u r also from Uttarakhand like him…..his 1st question would always b…what is ur full name???? Your answer will further decide his state of comfortness for you.

    Education and power r the driving force to lead the society. When both are equally available to all part of society no one will b bothered about the surname.

    regards
    Vinod Kumar

  18. You are all retarded and uneducated. The native people of Uttarakhand are the Shilpkars today. They were once called the Naga race and have inimical mention in many Brahmanic scriptures. The Mahabharata begins with a curse to the Nagas. This is why you see the popularity of snake worship among these communities. The Brahmins, (Uttarakhand has highest Brahmin population) migrated from places like Maharashtra, Kerala etc after Shankara destroyed Buddhism and sent Brahmins to colonize the Himalayan region with Brahmanism. A 9th century inscription by a Chand king called Bhudev in Bageshwar records him as an ardent follower of Brahmins and a fire to Buddhist monks and their scriptures. This is probably when Brahmins began persecuting Buddhists and relegating them into the status of “outcasts”. We the great Shilpkars are NOT Hindus. This is why I converted to the Pure Land sect of Buddhism because that is our true ancient religion. Nagarjuna brought back Prajnaparamita sutras from the Naga abodes (Kashmir or Uttarakhand) and popularized Mahayana Buddhism. There is a Jataka called Bhuridatta Jataka which shows a Brahmin for the first time going into the Naga kingdom to boast about their supernatural powers. The Bodhisattva among the Nagas debunks the Brahmin and he is kicked out of the kingdom.

    Most of the Brahmins of Uttarakhand are in fact descendants of Indians from central or Southern Plains. There are temples in some hills of Uttarkhand where the family of priests still speak Malayalam! I hate this sick state of Uttarakhand because it is a shithole with the largest number of evil Brahmins and their boot lickers. We the native Uttarkahandis should come back to our true religion of Buddhism to save our pride. Do NOT go to Brahmin temples.

    • I do not under stand why we called each other koli or shilpkar it is very simple those days people who mitigated from various parts of India e.g.Rajasthan Maharashtra or Gujarat they all wanted to earn circumstances made them to work as laborer or any kind of job that they fulfill their desire.
      We are in 21st century wake up go to Kerala. Gujarat how much there state is developing our thinking is very narrow. our Ex minister Late Mr Jagjeevan Ram(he consider him a pure chamar) in his house bhande manjne wala gharwali (Nautiyal) Jharu laganewala( samewal).uske jute saaf kerne wala (Mamgain) Delhi Bombay me sare hotels me bartan saaf karna or khana banana or bari bari kothio me Jharu pocha karna sab upper cast ke gharwali karte he.
      What i mean is app kisko kya dikhana chahte ho Jago or band karo to write this kind of article
      please write somthing good and truth dont ijeveterate

  19. Also, I would like to add that most of the Shilpkars are hybrid races. They are not uniform Indo-Aryan like Brahmins or Indo-Scythians like the Thakur and other militant Hindu castes of Uttarakhand. The Shilpkars, who are the original Nagas, are a mixed race of Caucasians, Mongoloids and Austro-Asiatics. That is why you can see a wide variety of shades amongst them. For those interested in real scholarly studies, read the book called “Naga cults of western Himalayas” by Omacanda Handa. We the great Nagas should collectively throw all the Brahmanic scriptures out from our homes and adopt Buddhism. Please help spread the info to our brothers and sisters.

  20. The writer of this article is a moron who has hardly come out of high school to be educated enough to write such bull’s crap. Please dont listen to this retard. All he wrote is hogwash for you. He says categorically that the Shilpkars are pre-Aryan. While he is correct to some extent, the truth is that we the Shilpkars, the original Naga race, were Buddhists and are of mixed race because Nagas were caste less kingdoms unlike the Indo-Aryan societies and therefore intermixing was not prohibited.

    Read the Bhuridatta Jataka where the great Bodhisattva refutes the boastful Brahmin who had come to invade the society to established caste system. He had categorically said that the Nagas should not believe in caste system. We, the great Nagas, are NOT Hindus, and we do not have ANY CASTES. So stop reading bull shit by this stone deaf retard.

  21. Brahmins, Thakurs etc of Uttarakhand are mostly Caucasian Indo-Aryan or Indo-Scythians who started migrating to the Himalayan state sometime during the medieval history. The biggest migrations happened after Shankara’s militant persecution of the Buddhists. That is why you can see Brahmins like Joshis, Chandola etc in Maharashtra also. As far as Thakurs and others are concerned, they are Hunas who invaded India after the weakening of the Guptas from North western India. Even Huang Tsang mentioned how the Hunas were the greatest persecutors of Buddhists. Brahmins, in alliance with theses Hunas, after elevating them to Brahmanic status of Kshatriyas, conspired to kick Buddhism out of India and Uttarakhand. Think for yourself. Why is it that at one point in history on Earth, from Gandhara (Afghanisthan) to Japan Buddhism was the main religion? Why not Brahmanism? Kick these Brahmanists out.

    Sorry I forgot the name, but there is a famous temple on top of a mountain in Uttarkhand which is in the possession of Brahmins who originally migrated from Kerala. Some of them can still speak Malayalam. You can verify it yourself. Shankara, the dwarf, was himself a Namboothiri from Kerala. Namboothiris were the purest and unmixed remnants of the original Indo-Aryan migrants to India.

  22. Hi,
    thankx to you all for giving ample imformation.but the thing which pinches us is that while being to the same caste and community still in different states their status and category classification is different.why is it so?? In uttarakhnad as mentioned by Pawan negi G rajput koli’s comes under General category,in gujarat major two sub categories are there.Both are coming under OBC category but one is claiming to be as Rajput koli Thakors as PALAVI DARBARS (higher status) and one is Koli patel’s constituting nearly 60% of population of Gujarat.but in M.P.,rajasthan,delhi,UP,MAHARASHTRA,haryana,himachal pradesh….they are under SC category..i am from M.P. and considered as SC but here in GUJARAT m working as a HSEF professional.what i have realized that here the status is high which we got tired while fighting for our status as KOLI RAJPUTS….my grandfather father was a brave soldier in RAJA JAGDISH SINGH army which indicates that we belongs to Rajput clan…my ancestors came here from pataliputra, zone of great king chandragupta maurya and ashoka..they were told me the valor stories of maurya dtnasty as we belong to great mandhata,ikshvaku,RAM..SUN DYNASTY KOLI KINGS..later on shakya ruler..gautam budha…and shivaji commander in chief TANAJI RAO malusare…one question is also there..is koli and kori communities are same as i am here since long time and in matrimony also it appears as same and in some state list of SC category it is written as koli/kori(weavers)…..We have lost our identity but we are trying to catch hold our status while got to know about our great warrior clans…………please Reply to this specially PAWAN SINGH NEGI G and RANA G

    • Hi, Verma ji.
      Let me know you that the status of each caste is measured by the economical and political codition of caste. In different state koli cast is in dominant power like in gujarat and maharashta while in some state ,there are minimum or nigligible domination so they are given lower status like m.p, delhi etc. I give you an example of uttar pradesh where rawat cast is in sc category while in uttarakhand it is in general. there are some similar name also like kohli and koli and in punjab kohli is rajput while in delhi it is sc while the name is very much similar and same. Like this koli and kori also similar name but in real it is different in different state. Kori or tantuvaya is a weaver cast in almost all state excluding uttarakhand bur the name is resemlence some people think that uttarakhand koli is also weaver sact while it is not true. But in the same time it is also true that in uttarakhand koli is not a caste but it is a clan or vansh which belongs to may be kulinda or kunida kingdome or kantyuri kingdome. but our historian in uttarakhand did not mention the uttarakhand first ruler clan of kuninda kingdome named amoghbhuti and their people in present . Second thing koli are attched with kori to take benefit of sc certificate for political gain . I think until our people take part in politics we can not gain our real identity.

  23. Apne Aap ko Koli Rajput keh kar pet nahi bhrta hai our na hi bharne wala hai. Roti Beti ka saath ye log phir bhi apni KOLI Logon ke saath hi kar paaten hain. Ulta Uttrakhand main Koli jaati ke logon ko Apne Beta/Beti Ki Saadi Karne main tatha aapsi sambandh banane main badi pareshani hoti hai kyon ki kafi log apne naam ke aage Negi, Bisht, Rawat, Oswal , Gusain likhte hai jisse Apni hi Jaati Ka nuksaan hota hai our hamari ekta ko chunoti hai. Roti Beti ka saath aap logon ka anya jaati ke saath khule aam batane par sapne main bhi nahi ho sakta. Jo log koli shilpkar ke roop main sarkar se sayath lena chaten hain unke pet main kyon laat marten hai, yaa maar rahen hain. Jin longon ka pet bhara hai wo log he netagiri kar rahen hain ki hum Koli Rajput hain wese to sab ishwar ki santan hai to Jaat paat to honi hi nahi cchaiye lekin bharat main ye sambhav nahin lagta. Vaastav main practically sab jaante hain ki Koli jaati ke logon ke saath harijan jaise he vyvahar Uttrakhand main kiya jaata hai, tabhi to apne aap ko koli rajput kehene wale apne surname main Bisht, Negi, rawat likhte hain. Pehle inse puchho ki tum Koli ho to Negi, Bisht, rawat kaise ho sakte ho jo Khas, Khsya jaati Ke log hain wo ye surname likhten hain. Ye sab sadiyon se chal raha hai isliye sarkar us chhatipurti ko aarkkshan ke roop main de rahi hai our ye bhikh nahi haihamara sadiyon se dabaya haq hai isme koi saram ki baat nahi hai. Mujhe yeh dekhkar herani hoti hai koli jaati sabhi north rajyon meain KORI, KOLI jaati ke anushuchit jaati ke roop main ek hi entry me dikhai gayi hai jisme, HIMACHALPRADESH, PUNJAB, HARYANA, CHHATISHGARH, CHANDIGARH, MADHYAPRADESH yahan tak ki South India ki state list main bhi Koliyan, Koliya ke roop main anushuchit jaati ke roop main darj hai, yeh sab sarkari website main uplabdh hai.Sirf Udttrakhand, UP main shilpkar Jaati ke antargat kai Jaatioyon ko anushuchit jaati ke antargat pramanpatra issue kiye jaaten hain, jo ki bunching ke roop main hai, Shilpkar jaati ki Koi paribhasha Uttrakhand/UP ki sarkari website par nahi hai. Ye sab koli jaati ke logon ko aarthik laabh se vanchit rkhne ke liye kiya gaya golmal hai balki sadyantra hai, aapas main phoot dalne ka hath kanda hai. Kyon anya rajyo ke saath hi (KORI, KOLI) jaati ko Uttrakhand/ UP main ek hi entry main Central Govt Ki SC?ST commission ne rakha hai, jabki iss jaati ke logon ka kaam bunkar our tel nikalna hi hai. Uttrakhand main isi karan se Koli jaati ke bahut kam log unchi prashnik vayavastha aur satta main bhagidaar hain, Agar ye sab suru se sarkari sahayata ka poora upyog karte to Koli jaati ke log bahut aage badh gaye hote our prashasnik vyavastha main accha mukaam hota. Jahan tak swabhimaan ki baat haito vo sab paisa our shiksha aane par apne aap aa jata hai lekin jiske pass na paisa hai na sihiksha hai use purvaj kuch bhi rahen ho aaj ke samay main kuch nahi hai aur sarkar aarkshan ke roop main paisa our shikhsa prapt karne ke liye he aarkhsan de rahi hai. Uttrakhand main koli jaati ke log kaafi garib our aarthik, shekshik tatha samajik roop se picchre hain isliye inhe aarkhsan ka laabh milna chaiye . Ye bechare to sharam ke maare apni jaati na batakar, Negi, Bisht, aswal, gusain, rawat keh kar apne aap ko swabhimani hone ka dhong karten hain. isliye jo apne aapko Koli (Rajput) kehta hai to apne surname na badalkar Koli (Rajput) hi likhe aur jo Koli(Shilpkar) ke roop main sarkari aarkhsan lena chhate hain unhe iska labh lene dain unhe iska labh lene dain taaki wo sab Aarthik/ shiksha Ka labh le saken.Swabhimaan apne aap aa jayega.
    Mera Uttrakhand/UP , SC/ST commission tatha Kendra sarkar ke prashnik adhikariyon se anurodh hai Ki isska vyapak sarveshan karaya Jaye Kaun Koli Rajput hai our Koaun Koli Shilpkar hai our iss duvidha ko khatam kiya jaye our amendment kiya jaye tatha ise (KORI, KOLI (Except Koli Rajput) ke roop main hi Anushuchit Jaati ke roop main darshaya jaye, Jaise kai anya rajyon main darshya gaya hai, Tabhi uttrakhand main iss jaati ke logon ka confusion door hoga jo kaafi Poorana hai tatha sabhi Koli jaati ke longon ke liye upyogi rahega.

  24. jo angreji jante he wo hi netagiri karte he. hindi, garhwali and kumauny tak seemit logo ko bhi bataao ki aap log kya kahna -bolna chahte he.
    mere pyare bhaiyo!
    jab tum log hindi, garhwali and kumauny me likh bol nahi sakte tab is ladai ko kaise jitoge, aur kiske liye jitoge. vrachh ki majbooti jad se hoti he, apni bhasha me baat karoge to mere jaise bahot se log aapki is muhim me shameel ho sakte he.
    its only my views to all uttarakhandi who are well and high educated that do not ignore those who are not able to understand english language.
    waiting reply and hope that ab hindi me baat hogi bhale hi angreji ke alphabets me ho…………..

  25. only shilpkars are the pure and orginal people of Uttarakhand….the others so called high casts are migrated from other places of India to save their culture and kmowledge as they was scarred by Musilms and Britesh rurals…..when they came to Gharwal they captured no mansland as they were more clever incomparsion to shilpkars, or we can say that the shiplkar community has adopted the outsiders, but they was totaly unaware about pahadi conditions like house bulding, farming etc……thats why the shilpkar’s started to do such kind of works for out siders in liew of mony as it was a new source of income for them.
    So the shilpkars have a good and original history…….and they are the real and khandani people wr can say…..but the some outsiders are not lucky in this regard as they are denoted through their village names like Nautiyal goun ke nautiyal, thapli ke thapliyal, kukurkata gaon ke kukreti, maithana ke maithani…etc…..now tell..inka asli origin kya hai…..or in gaon mai ane se pahale ye khasya, pandat or thakaur bhi thai ke nahi…..today they themselfs dont know that…..but in this form SC’s are pure and it is also well known that there r no sweepers and coplers casts r in Uttarakhand..

  26. Uttrakhand ki sabhi shilpkar jati ke logen se mera anurodha hai ki sarvpratham shikhsit bane chahe aumen chane khakar gujara karna pade. Kyon ki baina shiksha ke tark shakti nahi jaagti isliye iss jaati ke log pichhe hai. Iss desh ko ajadi bhi tabhi mili jab hamare netoin ne videsh jakar vakalat padhi tatha apni tark shakti ka vikash kiya. hum log jane anjane ashikshit rahe ya samaj ki vyavasth aise bani thi ki shiksha ka adhikar sab logon ko nahi prapt tha. Ab sarkar shikha tatha aarakshan dono de rahi hai to uska fayda lene me saram kaisi.Achhi shiksa, Naukri swabhimaan apne aap dila degi chahe aarakshan se mile.

    Ek baat dil se nikaal den “Reservation is not Reservation but it is Representation” jis din ye baat samajh aa gai sharam apne aap gyab ho jayegi.Uttrakhand ka shilpkar bahut agge badh jayega ye meri SHUBH KAMANA hai.

  27. Uttrakhand ke shilpkar jaati ke log kaphi samajik, Arthik avam sekhisk roop se kaphi peechre hai. In sabne sarkari arakhsan kaa labh naa ke barabar uthaia hai,. Pata nahin inhe kyon saram aati hai. Reservation is not reservation but it is Representation in governance arthat araakshan kewal aarakshan nahin balki ye satta mein bhagidaari hai. jis din yeh baat samajh aa gai us din uttrakhand ke shilpkar logon ki kaya kalp ho jayegi. wo kehtain hain jisne ki saram use phhoote karam.

    Sarpratham shikshit bane chahe chane khakar gujara karna pare. Kyon ki tark karne ki shakti shiksha se hi aati hai. Iss desh ko ajjadi bhi tark karne se aai jab yahen ke neta visdesh jakar Vakalat padh kar aye. Aur aaj ke jamane main shikshit hone tabhi to aarkshan ka labh le payenge aur age badh payenge.

    Jabh acchi sarkari naukri aarakshan se mil sakti hai to uska phayeda kyon naa liya jaye isse garibi to door hogi swabhimaan bhi ayega tatha apne samaaj ko age badha payenge. Sesh phir baad main. dhanyavad

    • Vir Pratap ji has rightly said that the shilpkar peoples are the original people of uttrakhand yeh tark shakti ke bal par samjha jaa sakta hai. Balki sampporn bharat main SC/ST/OBC jaati ke log he mool nivasi hai yahan ke baaki sab to poore vishava se yahan akar base hai jine inhone apna das/gulam/chakar/ bana liya kyon ye sab bohle our saral log thai. Ye sab itihas main darj hai.our ye sab inka DNA test karke bhi jaana ja skta hai.

  28. Hi people of utterakhand I have read all individual comments about castism in utterakhand.but I don’t understand is cast is that important to a humanbeing. Someone comment kola Rajput is not shilpkar, someone saying Rajput is big caste , brahamin big what is this all. What make u big , great . Wake up people this is 21 centu…. Ur work , ur knowledge make u great not ur caste. Think of it u castist people

    • Trilok ji aapne bilkul durast farmaaya ki aadmi ki pehcchan use Gyan our kaam se honi chahaiye. Lekin vaastvik dharatal pe ye ho nahi raha wo bhi Inida main. Itihaas gavaha hai kaise kucch logon gyaan arjit karne kaa adhikar apne paas rakha. Jo lathet thai wo Rajput our jaminddar ban gaye.baaki logon ko ddaas banaya gyaya unhe apni jarrorat ka kaam karaya our nimn jaati main vargikart kar diya. Gyan arjan karne ka adhikar unhe diya hi nahi gaya jabki gyaan arjit karne kaa adhikaar sabko hona chaiye tha lekin ise sadyantra ke tehat roka gaya nahin to inke kaam kourun karega.Aap jaara sochiye parmatama ne ye prithvi, aakash, havva pani sabke istemaal ke liye di to kaise kuch log ispar apna adhikaar man kar beth gaye our aaj apne aap ko uncha kehte hai. Ye sab chaalal log the jinhone bhole or sidhe logon apne kaam ke liye upuog kiya.

      Aaj ajaadi ke baad sarkar aarkshan ke tehat loktantra hone ke nnate unko mauka de rahi to isme galat kya hai. Ye unka sadiyon se dabaya hua haq hai koi bhikh nahi hai. Balki aarakshan prasashnik vyavastha main pratinidhitatva hai isme koi sharam ki baat nahi hai. Pehle shilpkar jaati ke logon ko Gyaan our Kaushal arjit karne de. Sarkar unko mauka de rahi hai. Inka manobal na tode. Unhe aage badhne de. ye apne aap aage nikal jayege. AAp sabk ashirvaad chayie, Jo aarakshan ka labh lena chate hain unhe uska labh lene de, unhe hirakat ki najron se na dekhen our na hi unhe chhota samjhe. Sab iss samaj ke ang hai isme sabki jarrorat hai. Dhanyavad.

  29. Dear all

    I am a koli rajput and am pround to be.

    One thing i want to say to all of you that have noticed that hindus are reducing day by day? You nonsence people you are busy with proving you as upper and upper caste. Keep in mind if you keep fighting like your blody fool old rulers and people, there will not be a single hindu left to light a deepak at any temple. Open your eyes and see around the world. People are fighting for betterment and you fool are fighting for proving superior to your brothers and sisters. This is why mughals won whole of hindu kings and raped each every hindu female. Shame on you people. So called brahmin did not allow anyone to study vedas. Do you know why? Muslims and christian are spreading rapidly. Do you why? You fools, you should know that those people dont hate their own brothers. They want each person read their scrptures so that everybody can be benefitted with the true knowledge. Whoever say he is upper caste, he is culprit like brahmin. I will say, real culprits are so called brahmins who for their own benefit, they created such nonsence like caste and all. Please study the holy books are you will get to know what a caste is.

    Please, everybody, whatever is caste, first sincerely try to why you caste is so. What is caste. What is religion. Why you are fighting.

    Keep in mind that conversion is a big news in uttakhand. Fight with that. Not with your brithers.

    Harsh raj

  30. Surprising that two Negi and Rana are claiming that Koli’s belong to Rajput groups and debating about it. I think it could be confusion between the word kohli and koli. Kolis don’t belong to Kshatriya Varna , however I also want to add that being Koli or any caste isn’t about shame etc. I spent 30 years so I can attest this. Also knowledge of native Indian about history is very accurate and quite appreciable.

    • Anurag ji apne bilkul thik pakra ye Negi/Rana vastav main koli jaati ke hi hai lekin ye apne surname dusri jaati ke likhten hain inhe apni jaati ka naam likne me saram aati hai. Isliye ye pehle Koli jaati ko Rajpoot kehlana chate hai phir ye koli surname likhenge.

      Inhe saram aani chaiye jo apni hi jaati ke logon ke pet main laat maar rahhen, sarkar shilpkar ke roop main arakhsan de rahi hai ye nahi lena chahte our dusre koli jaati ke logon se bhi kehten hain ki tum mat ye log kaun hote hai dusro ke bare main bolne wale. Tum nahi lena chahte mat lo dusron ko lene deain unhe aage badhne den. Dhnyavad.

      • First of all there is no doubt that this whole article is written just to poke and give disgrace to koli people. There is no evidence what so ever that koli people did any job like sweepers and scavengers. I have never seen or heard any bhangi in any village in whole uttraknand. or any koli who was in to sweeping work .( Actually this is a joke that any so called high caste( who are also in so poor and pathetic condition in rural gadwal keeps koli or any caste people to sweep their floor or to clean their toilets) haram@”£$% ko roti khane ke paise nahi hai kisi ko jhadoo marne ki naukri par rakhengi goan mein… bullshit

        This is just to prick moral of koli people or any caste, clan, name, group, whoever are now beaming with development, money, fame, business they now have every thing.They just want to show that no matter what ever u become you will be what we want to ……………we know lot more than this self acclaimed historian. We do not want any certificate from M V koli( alias Kanjar / bhangi ) or Mr. Anurag.

        To all people shouting here with so many evidence and facts that koli people are rajput and royal clan etc. Please hold your clicks. This is not going to serve you or koli people anything. This is what people like this writer and M V Koli want. They just want more acknowledgement , recognition and more views to this article . If you really want to prove than be a man prove your dedication by educating your kids your self your kins to highest level possible even you have to sell your belongings. Go for highest posts in Government and politics Go to your villages build huge house with every possible facility and do best possible for your society and family member.

        As harsh raj @above said that Hindus are shrinking day by day this is just because of these idiots. People like M V Koli are pathetic and self centered they care for today only like our politicians and i am quite sure that this kanjar ( read MVKoli) must have some political blood in his veins. Yes many koli live in disguised of other caste. so whats wrong with it .. to you all people live what ever name you like just grow, help and prosper , educate young generation so that you can keep these so called upper caste to serve you in future. Please do not Sanskritize your self . Eat, wear, read go what ever you like always remember that their is not any thing like higher or lower caste this is number game … who ever is in good number he is big ( off course)

        “You can’t avoid pain, but you can choose to overcome it”

        PS : if ever you got chance Please spit on the face of MVKoli for the respect of your koli
        clan

      • First of all there is no doubt that this whole article is written just to poke and give disgrace to koli people. There is no evidence what so ever that koli people did any job like sweepers and scavengers. I have never seen or heard any bhangi in any village in whole uttraknand. or any koli who was in to sweeping work .( Actually this is a joke that any so called high caste( who are also in so poor and pathetic condition in rural gadwal keeps koli or any caste people to sweep their floor or to clean their toilets) haram@”£$% ko roti khane ke paise nahi hai kisi ko jhadoo marne ki naukri par rakhengi goan mein… bullshit

        This is just to prick moral of koli people or any caste, clan, name, group, whoever are now beaming with development, money, fame, business they now have every thing.They just want to show that no matter what ever u become you will be what we want to ……………we know lot more than this self acclaimed historian. We do not want any certificate from M V koli( alias Kanjar / bhangi ) or Mr. Anurag.

        To all people shouting here with so many evidence and facts that koli people are rajput and royal clan etc. Please hold your clicks. This is not going to serve you or koli people anything. This is what people like this writer and M V Koli want. They just want more acknowledgement , recognition and more views to this article . If you really want to prove than be a man prove your dedication by educating your kids your self your kins to highest level possible even you have to sell your belongings. Go for highest posts in Government and politics Go to your villages build huge house with every possible facility and do best possible for your society and family member.

        As harsh raj @above said that Hindus are shrinking day by day this is just because of these idiots. People like M V Koli are pathetic and self centered they care for today only like our politicians and i am quite sure that this kanjar ( read MVKoli) must have some political blood in his veins. Yes many koli live in disguised of other caste. so whats wrong with it .. to you all people live what ever name you like just grow, help and prosper , educate young generation so that you can keep these so called upper caste to serve you in future. Please do not Sanskritize your self . Eat, wear, read go what ever you like always remember that their is not any thing like higher or lower caste this is number game … who ever is in good number he is big ( off course)

        “You can’t avoid pain, but you can choose to overcome it”

        PS : if ever you got chance Please spit on the face of MVKoli for the respect of your koli ..

      • i have read today MV ram and anurag statement about the word using rana , negi, gusain in our name and after readig this i come to know that they are really very sick mentality people . I am proud to be the part of Koli / Koli rajput/ Kulinda Rajput but you people has no right to use the Koli word. All thease surname is subgroup of Koli clan and i use this word openly with other denoting that i am koliyal rana . i have dare to promote my koli clan but you narrow minded people never think why we using thease world . you are just a begger. I know some good people who use koliyal negi, patwal gusain and every near by villager known them as koli rajput. do you thing why the people who belongs the khasiya cast use negi, bisht rana why dont they use khasiya in their name becouse they respect the word khasiya but when you people did not respect the koli word ,you can not understand the importance of this word. Koli or koliya clan has thousands of surname inspite of that you are using this great word these surname is just a reward or upadhi. Koli is not a small word which can be used by your type people . i have dared to live and die also for my forefather given word but you mv ram you only know how to alive not die that is why you are talking this rubish. I attend the jagar in my relative whre patwal gusain are worship and all the villager including brahman know this fact the patwal gusain are their pitradev.village name is sisai in pauri you can trace it but due to you sick mentality people we are behind . Second comments you wriiten that those people will not do roti beti ka rishta so i say you again prove that you are avsarwadi people. Kolinda clan is so wide that we did not required to make relationship with them. You should understand the things carefully before commenting. one side you say we should be educated and other hand you are talking nonesense. someone said that he has spend 30 years and authenticating the position of Koli. so only you people are resposible who are saying . if you know the kumauni, garhwali so why dont you educate the village people about their identity. Some are stugging in villages and telling the real history of kulinda clan that is why the government has annouced that pradhan can not make sc certificate of koli people because it is illegal but if some mv ram like people want to take advantage he can denote himself as shilpkar and take the certificate why are you making a hurdle between us . we are not enemy but same time we can not mitigate(perished) our real identity whether other accept it or not. Once again i want to tell you that there are differeent surname which can be used under the koliya clan such as koliyal, kulinda, gusain, negi, rawat, kashyap, rana, vyas, bhardwaj , and by their village name . Koli word is not so degraded that every one use it anyway. but i can not explain you so many thing regarding it because you people are unable to understand analytically. i am surprise to know in today 21st sentuary you could not arrange the food and have to take arakshan . if you dont have mind you can not educated if you are educatted you dont need to take arakshan but if you thing it will promote at your forefather cost so have it but dont sue again the word koli with your name . if in realty we are shilpkar then no issue to take the advantage of it but if we know this is wrong how can we distroyed our real identity just because some people in village denote us shilpkar just because of you. i also visited in villages not in mine but others and talk about it but you know that with koli they cannot get the sc certificate so some your type people getting the same with shilpkar jaati not koli jaati but mv ram ji if you are getting the certificate with koli word this is also illegal and your certificate could be cancelled so plaese dont use the koli word just use the othershilpkar word. i think in this way you can take the benefit but please dont down the moral of other koli rajput people. Because there are somany reason to say that we are koli rajput but who say in local field that koli is shilpkar are unable to prove it and just say we are seeing it from so many years . but it will discussed in next time but dont hurt the sentiment of others who are again united to fight back.

    • Anurag ji apne bilkul thik pakra ye Negi/Rana vastav main koli jaati ke hi hai lekin ye apne surname dusri jaati ke likhten hain inhe apni jaati ka naam likne me saram aati hai. Isliye ye pehle Koli jaati ko Rajpoot kehlana chate hai phir ye koli surname likhenge.

      Inhe saram aani chaiye jo apni hi jaati ke logon ke pet main laat maar rahhen, sarkar shilpkar ke roop main arakhsan de rahi hai ye nahi lena chahte our dusre koli jaati ke logon se bhi kehten hain ki tum mat ye log kaun hote hai dusro ke bare main bolne wale. Tum nahi lena chahte mat lo dusron ko lene deain unhe aage badhne den. Dhnyavad.

      • mv tum asal mai kanjar ho… though i do not believe in discrimination in any form ( cast creed color gender almost any thing ) and do not want to hurt any sect of society but i did not have any words to describe this MV guy . People like this guy have very narrow field of view and they just concentrate on immediate gain. Yes their may be many schemes from govt. to support koli or other peoples so what stops you to get the benefits . go get your share and show how capable you are. but why you want that whole community should face same treatment like you. Why you want all koli community to keep begging for chances and opportunities from government and society and just YOU WANT A OPPORTUNITY TO BEG BEFORE ANY ONE please do not abuse your entire community. Please study what is the purpose of any state government to put any caste in scheduled category ( first of all what the word schedule itself means and then why they put any sect of society in this list. many so called upper caste in any state is scheduled caste in another state for example RAWAT claims that they are rajput and upper caste in uttranchal but on the other hand they are scheduled caste in Gujarat ( h.t.t.p://socialjustice.nic.in/pdf/scordergujarat.pdf ) or if you have time go search every list of scheduled caste in every state and keep comparing them.

        my point is to make you understand that people like you are making this topic unnecessarily controversial. We do not want any certificate of authentication by any writer, historian or so called upper/lover/middle caste peoples.( We are going to be best among all of them.) Today every body is busy with their lives and people are working hard to get in best possible economic / social / cultural condition . Please read again that THEY ARE WORKING HARD. But for some reason if you want easy way to bread and positions and just you want your life this way you are abusing your whole community. why you accept derogatory comments for your clan. It means either you do not belong to koli people and hate how koli are successful in their lives or you are staging propaganda against our community sponsored by someone more intelligent than you ( as no one ever abuse his ancestors )

        shame on you and the mother who gave birth to you. अपने पूर्वजो को गाली दे कर मक्खन -रोटी खाने से ज्यादा अच्छा है की मेहनत कर दो रोटी कम खाओ | शर्म तुम्हे आनी चाहिए जो नौजवानों को भीख माँगना सिखा रहे हो | आज़ादी के बाद से मिले आरक्षण से कितने लागो का भला हुआ है ये किसी से छुपा नहीं है | सिर्फ तुम जैसे लोग ही मलाई खाते है और असली ज़रूरतमंद तक फायदा नहीं पहुच पता | कोली किसी की जाती का नाम लिखे तुम्हारी माँ की पास कौन जा रहा है, अरे चोरी छुपे सही परदे से सही वो मेहनत कर के उपर तो चढ़ रहे है बच्चों को लिखा पढ़ा तो रहे है अपने पूर्वजो को भंगी चमार और जमादार तो नहीं कहते है आरक्षण के लिए

        “”The Shilpkar marry as adults although child marriages are common among some subgroups. A man acquires his wife through negotiation, exchange, mutual consent or even elopement. He may take a second wife in cases such as barrenness. Among the Kolta Shilpkar, polyandry- the practice of having more than one husband at one time is also acceptable. Vermilion (sindur), nose-rings and nose studs are the marriage symbols for women. Unlike other castes, traditionally it is the groom who pays a bride-price to the bride’s father. This is still practiced by many subgroups of the Shilpkar, though some have taken to the custom of getting a dowry. “”

        अब लगे हाथ ये भी बतायें की आप की दादी या परदादी किस के एक से ज्यादा पती थे – do you accept that your women ancestors were enjoying the sate of polyandry.

        wake up so called upper society is making fun of us they are enjoying the tussle. will write you soon …..

        I am proud to be koli – my father worked hard to grew me up and give every best facility he could manage he never look for any reservation what so ever in any field of like …. so am i though my kids do not know what exactly this bullshit is all about . This topic is still alive just because of few fucking idiot like you -shame on you

        • I completely agree with you also read the Sr no 23 reply to Nativeindian
          and write something you got a great thoughtfulness..

  31. who the hell are you? how could you say such derogatory words to our respective cast that we we belong to “sweepers and scavengers”. if you don’t know anything good about us so u don’t have any right to say such offensive low kinnda cheap words..if you really want to know about OUR RESPECTIVE TAMTA CASTE then i would prefer you to go to a history department and concern to my cousin SHE IS WORKING ON OUR CASTE, doing Ph.d on Tamta’s work…..and don’t you say a single words which is irrelevant to Tamta caste.

    • dear abhishekh,
      I cme to kow that your cousin is doing phd on Tamtas. Please let me know about her findings regarding the. I am very keen to know about them.
      Krishnakant

  32. I do not under stand why we called each other koli or shilpkar it is very simple those days people who mitigated from various parts of India e.g.Rajasthan Maharashtra or Gujarat they all wanted to earn circumstances made them to work as laborer or any kind of job that they fulfill their desire.
    We are in 21st century wake up go to Kerala. Gujarat how much there state is developing our thinking is very narrow. our Ex minister Late Mr Jagjeevan Ram(he consider him a pure chamar) in his house bhande manjne wala gharwali (Nautiyal) Jharu laganewala( samewal).uske jute saaf kerne wala (Mamgain) Delhi Bombay me sare hotels me bartan saaf karna or khana banana or bari bari kothio me Jharu pocha karna sab upper cast ke gharwali karte he.
    What i mean is app kisko kya dikhana chahte ho Jago or band karo to write this kind of article
    please write somthing good and truth dont egegirate.if we all wanted to bring our state rich and harmony
    bhai chare se raho jo gareebi ke karan lachar he use kisi shilpkar ka nam dekar badnam na karo.
    thank You.

  33. Are o bewkoofo aapas mai ek dusre se apni jhoothi saan ke liye na tumhare bap dadaao ne choda tha or na hi tum chod rahe ho agar tumhe apni energy ka use karna hi hai to ise iss direction mai karo ki jisse desh ka devolopment ho or desh mai ekta bani rahi,aaj lagbhag aadha hindustan tumhari jaisi giri soch ke chalte naxal effected ,terriorism etc mai jal rha hai agar tumahre yahi hal rahe to pahle to tumhe lootne ke liye afgani,mugal,or angrej aaye the lekin aise karte rahoge to ek din tumhare pass lootne bhar ke liye kuch v nahi rahega ,so save the country n save urself…..

  34. Mene upar di hui tippani padh li hai our itni gandi bhasa ka paryog kiya gaya hai jo us aadmi ki mansikta ko darshata hai lagta iske maa baap ne yahi sanskar diye hai our iske ghar mein aisa hi mahol hoga.
    Yahan par kisi baat ko leka charcha kar rahen thatha apne vichar vyakt kar rahe hai our bhasha shalinta vali honi chahiye. gali galoch se koi bhayada nahi. Ishwar aap logon ko sadhbudhi de our insaniyat ke gun sikhen.
    Mera kehna hai jaat paat to honi hi nahi chhahiye, insaniyat ki kadar honi chahiye, phir apne aap ko Rajput, Brahman, vaishya keha jaati ke dambh meain kyo rehna chate ho. Shilpkar/Sc jaati ke logon kyon chhoti nazar se dekha jata hai. Ye sab jhootha ahankar hai jo sansar main mein chalta rahega kyon ke inssan apne aap ko bada dikhana chahtaha hai samne wale ko kuch nahi samajhta hai.

    Jaat/Paat insaan ne banai hai ise inssan hi khatam karega tabhi hoga phir chahe wo Rajput ho, Brahaman ho, sudra ho ya vaishya ho. Lekin ye jaara ashambav sa dikta hai kyon ki aadmi johoota ahnkar nahi chhor sakta hai.
    Ye parman hai jo aaj nimn samjhe jaten hai ye kabhi jaati vihin samaj ke ang the our accha jeevan bita rahe the baad main change ho gaya hai.

    Uprokt baaton ko aap ek kittab ka reference main de raha hun jo ki ek research book hai aap sab isko shanti se padhe tatha baad mein tipani karen.

    ” History of the Later Harrapan and Shilpkar Movement (02 Volumes) written by Voyogi, Naval and M Anwar Ansari by Kalpaz Publication, Treasuring Book book on Humananities and Social service,Delhi-52, Ph-9212729499, Email. [email protected]

    Ye parman isme bharat ki sabhi jaatiyon ka itihas darz hai, aap sab ko acchi jankari isme milegi, Dhanyavad.

  35. Afsos….educated people of india are still illetrate….jati kaa pata hai……but do not know the names of their great grandfathers…….and every now and then talks about the great glory of their blood……..are bhai nana patekar sahab bhi kehe chuke hai kii insaan kaa blood sirf Red hota hai………you are also born in the same earth as every human ……..aur after death apko koi puskar viman lene to aaega nahi……..yamdoot ke hi darsan honge……..to kyun paresaan ho raha hai bhai……..just chill and do your job……21st century hai dost wake up……aaj sabhi log ek dusre ke servent hai…….everyone is at the same time Master and slave….so its worthless to talk on this obselete issue……wake up…………

    • Right bilkul sahi.. social networking ka use agar logo ko ek saath jodne ke liye kiya jaaye to jyada achha hoga na ki is tarah ki faaltu baato me fas kar… is jaatiwaad ke chakkar me hum log bahot dange dekh chuke hai.. aaj ka youth educated hai sahi soch rakhta hai to use sahi raste par le jana chahiye……ye b sahi hai hum sab ne ek earth pe janam liya hai or ek hi shamshaan me jalaye jayenge.. haan yaad rahenge to hamare kiye hue kaam na ki surname..is duniya me hum ek dusre ke naukar hai .. koi kisi se oopar nahi koi kisi se niche nahi… baaki history ke chakkar me mat pado to sahi hai,.. haan ho sake to history se achhi baate lo bekaar bato ko bahar rakho apne se… plz dosto itna educated hone ke baad agar yahi sab karna hai to shayad ye platfrm theek hai aaplogo ke liye .. gaon me wapas jao or kisi ka paani roko kisi ke jaane ka rasta roko kisi ko pooja mat karne jao.. kisi ko maaro… ..agar sahi soch rakhte ho to gaon jao jarur but waha b ek naya savera do logo ko taaki wo log b aage apni life sahi ji sake..

      • or ek baad jin purajo ki hum baate kar rahe hai ki hum unke vansh hai hum rajvansh ke hai ya koi or … agar unke purvajo ne ye sab achhe kaam nahi kiye hote to shayad jitne b yaha ye sab keh rahe hai koi b unka naam apne saath nahi jodta … is liye history har koi banta hai aaj hamare purvaj history hai jinka hum hissa hona chahte hai or kal hum history honge.. ese bano ki wo log b hamara naam jodte hue sharmaye nahi…

  36. Most of what this author wrote is wrong.
    Lohar or Blacksmiths belongs to Viswakarma.
    The Vishwakarma (or Viśvákarma) community, known within the group as the Viswabrahmin, is a group that is sometimes referred to as a caste and which comprises five sub-groups: carpenters, blacksmiths, bell metalworkers, goldsmiths and stonemasons who are the descendants of the Hindu god Vishwakarma. They worship various forms of this deity and follow five Vedas: Rigveda, Yajurveda, Samaveda, Atharvaveda, and Pranava Veda.
    Harijan is different from Viswakarma

  37. Uttrakhand sarkar ne shilpkar jaati ko apne 16 Dec 2013 ke gazzette notification ke dwara paribhasit kar diya hai jisme koli shilpkar jaati me shamil hai. Dhanyavad.

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