45 thoughts on “Saini

  1. Your article contains sevaral errors and leaves out great deal of research about the origin of Sainis which is available in reputed journals. Your biggest mistake is that you have lumped Sainis of Punjab with Mali turned Saini groups of UP , Rajasthan and other states. These later group adopted Saini identity in 1930. Proofs of this are easily available. There is no social intercourse, leave alone intermarriage, between these distinct groups.

    Secondly, Ibbetson was not an ethnologist. He was an civil servant. His work contains several errors and contradictions and is based on unscientific census of 1881. He himself admitted that his work contains several mistakes and was completed in haste in 1883 upon official orders (see his prologue in Punjab Castes) . Read the article by Kevin Hobson on how most of the works left by English bureaucrats are unreliable and contain many deliberate forgeries supplied by hostile and ignorant informants.

    If you interest in dissemination of well researched information, then your presentation has got off course clearly. I recommend you contact SainiIOnline.com discuss these issues with the editors there. You need to correct a lot of inaccuracies in this article even though you appear to be sincere intented.

  2. These links will give you some history how many non-Saini groups outside Punjab gradually changed their identity to Saini to gain access to army jobs in British era:

    http://www.sainionline.com/post-1930-appropriation-of-saini-identity-by-mali-caste

    http://www.sainionline.com/official-order-for-renaming-of-malis-as-sainis-in-rajasthan

    Please note that even according to Ibbetson only the Sainis of North Western Provinces (present UP) intermarried with Malis . Sainis of Punjab have no matrimonial or social links with the community that calls itself Saini in western UP. The Sanis of UP are actually called Golle, Bhagirathi, etc and they are culturally, socially and also geographically disctinct from Sainis of Punjab.

  3. This Web Page gives very distorted picture of Saini’s and equated them with malis, which is wrong. Better page is on wikipedia, which gives all the details and history.

  4. mallis started using name saini in 19 th century still in this page the malis are joined with sainis which is the biggest mistake

    • mali’s saini are different from sikh saini
      they have no linnk with sikh saini

  5. This is wrong info about Saini peoples. Wikipedia is better than this. :)

  6. Only Punjabi Sainis are denying that Sainis are not also called as Malis/ Baghbans(horticulturists) outside punjab Because casteism has a deep roots in punjabi sikhs and it is critical for Punjabi sainis to represnt them as Farmers and not as hoticulturists, As in simple PUnjabi illage Farmer is jatt/kissan and it gives high status in sikhs.

  7. Not only Punjabi Sainis but Haryanvi Sainis also know that Saini and Mali is different caste. I am Haryanvi Saini. Mali are not Sainis. Saini and Mali are totally different caste. The biggest mistake in this article is that it combined the Saini community of Punjab Province (Present day Haryana, Punjab, Himachal and Jammu & Kashmir). Dont trust on the information provided in this article.

  8. SAINI AND MALI ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT CASTES. MALIS SHOULD VISIT THIS LINK http://peoplegroupsindia.is2c.com/profiles/mali ,,,,,,,,,,,,, AND WHOSOEVER IS THE ADMIN OF THIS WEBSITE SHOULD IMMEDIATELY CHANGE THE INFO ABOUT SAINI CASTE. SAINIS ARE NOT SUBDIVISION OF MALIS. SAINIS ARE SUBDIVISION OF CHANDRAVANSHI KSHATRIYAS….

    • This is wrong info about Saini peoples. Wikipedia is better than this.

      • Only Punjabi Sainis are denying that Sainis are not also called as Malis/ Baghbans(horticulturists) outside punjab Because casteism has a deep roots in punjabi sikhs and it is critical for Punjabi sainis to represnt them as Farmers and not as hoticulturists, As in simple PUnjabi illage Farmer is jatt/kissan and it gives high status in sikhs.

        saini maan punjab de

  9. i’m very thankfull to you….i learn much things about my cast thankyou

    • please do not mix mali with saini caste. mali is different cast.

  10. According to the census of 1881, 1901 & 1911, Sainis are found only in 4 states and 2 union territories. These 4 states and 2 union territories were known as ‘Punjab Province’ during British Raj.
    4 states- Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Jammu & Kashmir and Punjab.
    2 Union territories- Chandigarh and Delhi
    (note: names are according to alphabetical order)

    But due to various reasons the members of ‘Mali’ caste started using ‘Saini’ surname during British Raj to gain army jobs because army recruitment policies were strictly on the basis of caste during British Raj. Sainis were declared as a Martial Class by Britishers. Malis people took advantage of this and very cunningly renamed themselves as “Saini” to get jobs in army. But here in this article Mali and Saini are shown as same caste. This should not be. Malis and Sainis have different origin, history and religious beliefs. Historically, the main occupation of Malis is gardening and they have very less lands or they work in the fields of higher castes, but Sainis were historically warriors i.e., Sainis are Rajput descent and is land owning community of Punjab Province. There is no link between Malis and Sainis, both historically and in present.

    I am Saini. I am basically from Haryana. I have listened all these information from the elders of my village and thinks better to share with all of you.

    Thank You

    • ya u are right sir we were originate from Maharaja sur sen who was a saini and we are from kshetriya community and we are the worriers…….

  11. saini of harayna and punjab are the real ones rest of are those mali peolpe who started writing saini as surname there is proof for it so people dont read this info is very wrong

  12. i’m very thankfull to you….i learn much things about my cast thankyou

  13. HI my name is mona and im a Chamar girl my boyfriend is saini we love eacother alot and are going to tell our parents do you think these two castes can get married? please help me

  14. Saini are not aware of Real identity of themself.In Rajasthan,U.P.,and other state of INDIA except,PUNJAB,HARYANA,JAMMU,
    Sainis had to adopted Mali occuption for saving their family from Mughal cruelity.That’s the reason they are called MALI there…
    so there are two creeds in Mali
    1-SUDRA
    2-RAJPUTNA
    but I feel sorry when I look SAINIS fighting each other….

    • why sainis are not aware of their real identity ?

      you malis are only 10% literate . you are from backward states like rajasthan, UP,MP etc.Among the 10% literate, they never need to know their own history. Even literate persons from mali community only run fake sites and facebook pages that tells the fake relation between sainis and malis without any proof. Malis have the population more than eight crores. and their huge population is not beneficial for the countery. they only backfoots the country

      SAINIS are 85%+ literate. and found in most literate states called undevided punjab. Even where sainis are mostly find is hoshiarpur , no.1 literate distt. throuthout the punjab. sainis are only less than 0.1 % of indian poulation . what they done for countery everyone know

      sri krishan,shoorsaini (saini king) and other sainis role in mahabharta.
      Save hindus against muslim in punjab during muslim invsions
      In Sisodia Rajput force of Raja Hamir Dev against Turks in 14th Century CE
      In sikh army with guru gobind singh g
      In british army .england won first and second world war due to sikhs (saini sikh).sainis wins many gallnatry awards due to their outstanding performance.
      In indian nation army with sc bose
      In gadar movement
      in babar khalsa international
      in indian army. pakistan lost everytime against india duo to only sikhs(saini + other skihs) in army
      param veer chakra is india’s HIGHEST military award
      ONLY 21 indians have got this out of them 10% are sainis
      In US army and other armies.
      this is only a little information where rajput character is needed to beat the enmy

      sainis are only hindu and sikh.
      become muslim during mugal period====== never, not like other communities who become muslim

      while malis have no contribution in army and other fields. In their fake sites and pages the heros , shows are from saini caste like maharaja shoorsaini, king pourus, sri krishna, jessie saini etc ,not from mali community.
      even malis are banned in britsh army because they are timid and had 3rd class life style

      now you anpad and gnwaar malis tells the sainis that they are not aware of their real history. SAINIS better know because they are more than 85% literate , not like malis who are only less than 10% literate with 8 crore population. malis are only cheaters and use saini surmname to hide their low status. they only fools the people that they and sains are same with fake sites. they only increase weight on india.

      • 100% SACH KEHA MITTRA,,,,,,,,,,,,MAA-LEE D MAA-DEE FUDDI MARNI PAINI RAKH K,,,,BURRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAH

  15. i totally agree with all of my couligue from punjab and hryana…..that haryna and punjab saini are not mali’s they r the landlord………..mai khud haryna kurukshetra se hu or 48 kile ka malik hu…saini ek jmidar clan h naaki mali……,,………or ye afwah failana bnd kro ki mali or saini ek h…..mai bhot irritate hota hu mali sunke…….plzzz someone has to take a strict action against this………..or ha ek baat plzz ye post itna failao taaki mali log saini clan use krnahi bnd krde

  16. the info you’ve provided here is not correct completely.
    aapne saini rajputon ko maali saini’s k saath compare kr diya hai jinhe recognition hi 1930′s mein aa ke mili
    as they claimed themselves to be saini.
    i’m from jammu and my ancestors were from punjab .

  17. SAINIs ARE CLANS OF LORD KRISHNA. WE HAVE PROUD ON OUR ANCESTROL. IN MAHARASHTRA BABA NANUA WAS FROM SAINI CASTE. NO MORE DAYS ARE LEFT WHEN PEOPLE WILL USE THEIR SURNAME -SAINI. I HAVE PROUD ON MY SAINI CASTE.

  18. Saini of punjab are royal don’t compare with the mali caste, saini of punjab are real warriors go to check history.

    • there is no difference in jatt sikhs and saini sikhs boths are farmers and living together in punjab

      • i agreed with you that there is no difference bwtween jat sokhs & saini sikhs only the difference created to low down the social status by putting fake things & wrong logics
        very good Mr banwait pl keep it up

  19. Hi guys above some saying lord krishna is saini but yadavs also claiming krishna as their ancestor is both of u related or different

    • yadav and saini is same caste. both are the sons of King Yadu. that’s why both yadavs and sainis are known as yaduvanshi.

      Mali and Saini is different. Sainis are found only in haryana and punjab. i am basically from kaithal district, haryana. I hate mali word.

    • both yadav and sainis are same. the ancestors of both castes are also same.and belong to yaduvanshi group ( a major group of chandrvanshi lineage) .Even pathania rajputs,some marathas, bhatti rajputs also belongs to same chandravasnhi lineage.

      gwalas and ahirs are also claiming that they are yadavs. ahirs and gwalas also use yadav surname to uplift their status and are fake and nakli yadavs. Gwals are those who taking care of cows. sri krishana was born in a kshtriya (rajput) yaduvanshi family not in a gwala or other family. even many hindus does not know it. he only played with gwalas in his childhood and it does not mean he belongs to gwala or ahir caste.
      yadav caste loose their origionality due to these ahirs and gwalas in some states.

      same is for sainis
      in history , during mughal period, in rajasthan some mandorva rajputs become malis to avoid conversion to islam. During british rule in 1930 these mandorva rajputs who become malis
      during mughal period used saini surname to uplift their low status and to get jobs in british army. because it is due to sikhs (sainis+ jatts+kambojs+other sikh castes) england won the first world war.all the gallantry awards were won by sikhs. sainis of punjab wins many gallantry awardsduo to their outstanding performance in world war one. already british officers registered saini caste as martial racer(brave and made for fighting).
      during british rule rajput malis / malis were banned to get jobs in british army because they are timid and had third class life style. thgey only got job if they use saini surname instead of mali surnme.
      firstly this is done by rajputs malis of rajasthan. even sainis were found and find only in undevided punjab and no relation with these rajput malis. after that every mali from UP , MP,RAJASTHAN who were generally gardners start saini surname to uplift their status and got jobs. you can see jodhpur state archieves.
      any saini find in rajasthan , up, mp, maharastra are nakli and fake saini. in other words they are malis not sainis because according to census during british rule thery found only in undevided punjab thickly populated in doaba region. according to origion sainis are rajputs and malis are gardners.
      in mahabharta sri krishana is mentioned as shoorsaini (short term saini) by veda vyasa not a mali/rajput mali
      Scientifically , ABO blood group of sainis are matched with hill rajputs .Not with malis/ rajput malis of Rajasthan, UP, MP, maharastra who claims that they are sainis.
      In history no proof exists that sainis found outside punjab and relates with mali/rajput malis

      these malis only cheats india and people that they are a part of sainis and fools their generations.they only use saini surname to hide their low status.

      now answer me some simle questions
      are marathas find in punjab
      are jadeja rajputs find in jammu and himachal
      are dogra rajputs find in maharastra
      are bhatti rajputs find in gujrat

      if the correct answer is no. then how saini rajputs are find in UP , MP,and RAJASTHAN.
      every body knows saini rajputs are find only in undevided punjab. besides this all sainis find in UP , MP,RAJASTHAN, maharastra are nakli and fake sainis in reality they are malis not sainis

  20. it is utter nonsense to say that sainis in particular from punjab and haryaha are malis. nothing else to say

  21. I born in saini caste in Karnal Haryana. However i am completely against of caste system coz it is the biggest cause of our nation’s poverty and backwardness. I have visited in Punjab and Rajasthan also. The truth about saini caste is here:- The culture of saini from punjab and the part of haryana attached with punjab is same. They have equal economical prospective also. Punjabi saini’s are more rich than haryanvi saini’s. Many villages are owned by saini people alone and i never saw any saini person specially women to do labour in the fields of people of other caste. In my village, saini people who are poor and have no land do labour works, but they always do labours in the field of saini people only. One thing i noted specially that saini people, if they are poor never loose their ego.
    The people in Rajasthan, U.P. who put sirname saini, also claimed that they are saini and they openly acclaimed that they are different than saini”s.

  22. Oye lode,
    Pehle pata kar la saini’s ke bare me achi tarah se.
    Bhenchod saini or mali same hai kya. Tere baap hai saini samjha bhosdike.
    Tere poore khandan ne itni mehnat ni ki hogi jitni ik saini akela kar sakta hai.
    Bhosdike pata nahi kaha kaha se aa jaate hai apna gyan chodne…
    Besharam abhi tak pad raha hoga apna bejti. Mujhe pata hai lallu kuch na kuch
    To zarur likhega tu, apni cast bhi likna bhosdike.

    Chal ok
    Take care byeee….

  23. I WARNED SAINIS ALL OVER THE WORLD IN CANADA, USA ITALY, UK,INDIA(found in mainly PUNJAB, HARYANA , HAIMACHAL, JAMMMU only ) THAT THESE MALIS ARE FORCELY CONNECTED WITH US. THEY USE OUR SURNAME SAINI TO HIDE THEIR LOW STATUS

    I do not read books which was written by slave poets of govt. even i know sainis are not malis. and the term Shoor saini is as old as the history of India.
    DEFINATION

    Etymologically the Hindi word “SHOOR” means Displayer of gallantry and SAINI is generic name for the ruling dynasty that ruled Northern India from Mathure to Patiala. Their rule and governance has been so benevolent that the area they ruled directly came to be known as “Shoorsaini Pradesh” and the language they spoke was known as “Shoorsaini. it simply means sains are KSHATRIYA rajput
    ( Kshatriya >= rajputs )

    AND The word Mali is derived from the Sanskrit mala, meaning garland. this defination of mali is also gives in this own site http://peoplegroupsindia.areapedia.com/profiles/mali

    now according to the defination tell me what is the relation of saini rajput caste with vasya caste malli.

    References to Sainis in Mahabharata

    Mahabharata, Book 13, Chapter 147

    Lord Krishna mentioned as a Shoorsaini by Veda Vyasa

    “Foremost among all the Shoorsainis, the puissant one, Krishna, residing at Dwaraka, will rule and protect the whole earth after vanquishing all her lords, conversant as he will be with the science of polity. ”

    Mahabharata, Book 2, Chapter 14

    Shoorsainis flee toward West (Modern Punjab and Afghanistan) from Mathura due to attack of Jarasandha

    “The eighteen tribes of the Bhojas, from fear of Jarasandha, have all fled towards the west; so also have the Shoorsainis, the Bhadrakas, the Vodhas, the Salwas, the Patachchavas, the Susthalas, the Mukuttas, and the Kulindas, along with the Kuntis. And the king of the Salwayana tribe with their brethren and followers; and the southern Panchalas and the eastern Kosalas have all fled to the country of the Kuntis. So also the Matsyas and the Sannyastapadas, overcome with fear, leaving their dominions in the north, have fled into the southern country. And so all the Panchalas, alarmed at the power of Jarasandha, have left their own kingdom and fled in all directions.”

    Mahabharata, Book 5, Chapter 54

    Shoorsainis change allegiance to Pandavas

    “The Matsyas, the Panchalas, the Salways and the Shoorsainis, all decline to pay thee homage now and all disregard Dhritarashtra. All of them have joined the Pandavas.”

    Mahabharata, Book 1, Chapter 110
    Kunti (Pandavas’ Mother), mentioned as the daughter of Maharaja Shoorsen, the found of Saini clan

    “There are three maidens worthy of being allied to Kuru race. One is the daughter (Kunti) of Shoorsen, of the Yaduvanshi race; the other is the daughter (Gandhari) of Suvala; and the third is the princess (Madri) of Madra.”

    Mahabharata, Book 5, Chapter 90

    “The daughter of king Shoorsen, thou (Kunti) art, by marriage, admitted into Ajamida’s race (The race of Kurus).”

    Mahabharata Book 6, Chapter 9

    Surasena Kingdom, named after Maharaja Shoorsen, mentioned as one of the kingdoms of ancient India

    “They are the Kuru-Panchalas, the Salwas, the Madreyas, the Jangalas, the Surasena, the Kalingas, the Vodhas, the Malas, the Matsyas, the Sauvalyas, the Kuntalas, the Kasi-kosalas, the Chedis, the Karushas, the Bhojas, the Sindhus….”

    Mahabharata, Book 8, Chapter 47

    Shoorsainis on the side of the Pandavas

    “Kripa and Kritavarma, and Sakuni accompanied by troops fought with the Kosalas, the Kasis, the Matsyas, the Karusas, the Kaikayas, and the Shoorsainis. ”

    Mahabharata, Book 8, Chapter 45

    Karana extolling the piety of Shoorsainis

    “The Pancalas observe the duties enjoined in the Vedas; the Kauravas observe truth; the Matsyas and the Shoorsainis perform sacrifices, the Easterners follow the practices of the Sudras; the Southerners are fallen; the Vahikas are thieves; the Saurashtras are bastards.”

    AND MANY MORE CHAPTERS (I EXPLAIN FEW )

    AND NOW

    read chpter 13 of mahabharata,
    1. Lord Krishna mentioned as a Shoorsaini by Veda Vyasa .and sainis are the descendants of SRI KRISHNA.,

    2. Sri KRISHNA is a yaduvanshi ( a branch of chandravansh lineage ) king. and sainis are yaduvanshi kshtriyas.

    3. no existance and realtion of sainis with malis in mahabharta
    .

    NOW STORY OF MALI CASTE IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES AS SAINI

    what is martial racing

    Martial race was a designation created by Army officials of British India after the Indian Rebellion of 1857, where they classified each caste into one of two categories, ‘martial’ and ‘non-martial’. The ostensible reason was that a ‘martial race’ was typically brave and well-built for fighting, while the ‘non-martial races’ were those whom the British believed to be unfit for battle because of their sedentary lifestyles.

    British-declared ‘martial races’ in the Indian Subcontinent
    Ahirs [17]
    Awans[18]
    Bhumihar Brahmin (excluded later after rebellions)
    Bunts
    Dhangars (Hatkar)[19]
    Dhund Abbasis
    Khatris
    Dogra[20]
    Gakhars
    Garhwalis
    Ghumman
    Gujjar[20]
    Gurkhas[22]
    Janjua[20]
    Jats
    Kamboj/Kamboh.
    Khokhar
    Kodava (Coorgs)
    Kumaoni/Kumaunis
    Mahars
    Marathas
    Mohyals
    Nairs (removed after rebelling)
    Pashtuns
    Parashar (excluded later after rebellions)
    Qaimkhanis
    Rors
    Reddys
    Rajputs
    Sainis ————————————————————————- read ——————————
    Sikh
    Sudha
    Tanolis
    Tarkhans
    Yadavas

    IN british army sikhs were preferd over hindus .
    NOW SAINIS come under martial racing because they are brave and built for fighting . also they are maily sikhs .so sainis can easily get jobs in british army
    also england won the first world war . sainis got many awards from british army due to their outstanding performance in world war one . Now saini people are their first choice for army job.

    Malis were banned to get job in british army because they are not made ofr fighting like other castes. mali caste were not under martial racing . they cannot get jobs because they are malis. they only uplift their status and get jobs if they use saini surname instead of mali.

    In 1937, the ruler of the princely state of Jodhpur granted the request of the Mali community of Rajputana to be recorded as “Saini” or “Sainik Kshatriya” in official records.

    you can see jodhdhpur state archieves

    “At the time of 1941 Census most of malis got registered themselves as Saini (Sainik Kshatriya) Malis.”

    -Census of India, 1961, Volume 14, Issue 5, pp 7, Office of the Registrar General, India.

    Mali caste, in southern districts of Haryana and beyond in the states of UP, MP, and Rajasthan, also started using the surname “Saini” in 20th century since 1930-40 .

    for what all this ., only to get jobs in british military. and thIS all was done in british rule which already destroys our culture.

    now answer a simple question -can malis of rajasthan, up,mp take permission of saini community of undevided punjab whether you uses saini ‘s surname or not
    and i know the answer –no because you are thiefs

    same is done by gwalas . they use surname yadav to uplift their status. and everybody knows that gwalas are not yadavs.
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    NOW SOME PEOPLE EVEN MALIS SAYS THAT THEY BECOMES MALIS DURING MUGHAL PERIOD TO AVIOD COVERSION – a false story

    1. first of all if you someone become mali during mughal period, that is your history and , what is your relations with sainis today in punjab
    2. during mughal period rajputs devided into groups are –

    pathania rajput group(100% same history and gotras as sainis ) — ran to hills to escape themselves
    saini rajput group —- start agriculture profession and become landownes in mainly doaba region of punjab
    dogra group (many gotras are same) and other many groups
    MANY CONVERTED INTO MUSLIMS like bhatti rajputs of lahore

    3. if any group becomes mali during that period , how they relate with sainis only. not with marathas , jadeja rajput, bhatti rajputs, minhas, lodhi rajput, pathania rajput.,

    i can clear this . because sainis are sikh , punjabi , and rajputs . in british military sikhs were prefered over hindus for get jobs. sainis also come under martial racing . that is the reason mali use saini surname to uplift rheir status.

    4. no proof that mali and rajput have saame ABO blood STRUCTURE. if have any fake proof eith which rajput and what are their gotras
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    CENSUS IN BRITISH RULE =================================================

    SAINIS FOUND ONLY IN PUNJAB AND BORDER DISTT. OF HARYANA , HIMACHAL AND JAMMU WITH PUNJAB , TODAY IN DELHI AND CHANDIGARH
    SAINIS DOES NO FOUND IN MP , RAJASTHAN, UP

    PROOF NO 1

    The Marwar State Census Report of 1891 A.D. also did not contain reference to any community called ‘Saini’ in Rajputana and recorded only two groups as Malis, namely, Mahoor Malis and Rajput Malis, among which the latter are also included in Rajput sub-category. Rajput Malis changed their identity to Saini in 1930 but in the later censuses other non-Rajput Malis such as Mahur or Maur , who ostensibly had no lineal link with Rajputs, also adopted ‘Saini’ as their last name. The way they sought to piggyback their way into the Saini identity was by seeking to project it as an abbreviated form of “Sainik” or “soldier” rather than linking it with properly historically grounded term “Shoorsaini” , a link which would have been impossible to prove. In this reference a review of the following order issued by Jodhpur state in 1937 is quite instructive:

    ORDER

    Jodhpur, the 6th February, 1937.
    No. 2240

    Subject- Recording of Malis as “Sainik Kshatriyas” in Pattas and Development Department records. Reference- P.W.D. Minister’s No. 431 Dated 22nd October, 1936
    His Highness has stated his personal view that he has no objection to Malis being recorded as “Sainik Kshatriyas” in the pattas of the Development records.
    Mehakmas D.M. Field LT. Col. CIE. Jodhpur.
    Chief Minister.
    January 23, 1937.
    Government of Jodhpur.

    PROOF NO2.
    Denzil Ibbetson REPORT

    Sainis were land owners and sometimes owned the entire villages in distinction from Malis who were invariably always gardners and vegetable cultivators.
    Sainis are Rajput descent from Mathura (capital of historical Shoorsaini kingdom)
    Sainis were not found outside Punjab.

    PROOF NO3.
    Jogendra Nath Bhattachary

    Another work of 19th century by Jogendra Nath Bhattachary also treated Saini group to be completely distinct from Malis. In his work titlled “Hindu castes and sects”, published in 1896, he refers to Sainis on pp 285 as a distinct agricultural group with a population of about 125000 and restricted to Punjab. He mentions Malis in a separate category and makes no attempt to link both communities. Bhattachary’s work, unlike Ibbetson’s, is considered academic grade and is regarded as first ever serious attempt at anthropology in colonial India.

    PROOF NO
    4.E.A.H Blunt

    E.A.H. Blunt who produced a seminal work on caste system of Northern India also placed Sainis as a group completely distinct from Malis, Baghbans, Kacchis and Muraos. He enlisted Sainis a landholding group while describing the latter groups as having mainly gardening, flower and vegetable cultivation as their major occupations. The strength of Blunt’s work lies in the fact that he had the advantage of looking at the work of all the prior colonial writers like Ibbetson, Risley, Hunter, etc and revising their inconsistencies.

    THIS ALL PROVES THAT SAINIS HAVE NO RELATION WITH MALIS

    while i give everthing clear and also give proofs that mali / rajput mali are not sainis
    now tell me any wise person what is the the relation of true history with politics

    now why i disturb sainis all over the india . because i know sainis afe only in punjab not all over the india. . thicklly populated in doaba region. some population is in haryana , jammu and haimachal, chandigarh and delhi.

    alsmost all sub clans(gotras ) of sainis are matches with hill, pathania rajputs like banwait ,banga,salaria, dhamrait , budwal, mundra ( i explain few )
    many gotras of sainis are matches with marathas, jadeja rajputs,thakurs ,dogras like kohar,lada,salaria, pabla, bande, masuta and many more(i explain few )

    this is because the ancestors of sainis ,pathania rajputs, marathas ,jadeaja rajputs ,bhati rajputs are same.
    while sainis have no relation , no identical history , no same sub clans (gotras ) which are matched with malis. no evidence in history proves that chandravanshi rajputs from punjab gone to rajasthan and for what purpose . while 1000 years ago some rajputs came to punjab from mathura to save hindus from muslim attackers called sainis.

    many fake facebook pages and many fake sites gives false information about sainis that malis
    are a part of sainis are operated and controlled by malis not by sainis.

    I AGAIN WARNED SAINIS ALL OVER THE WORLD IN CANADA, USA ITALY, UK,INDIA( PUNJAB, HARYANA , HAIMACHAL, JAMMMU ) THAT THESE MALIS ARE FORCELY CONNECTED WITH US. THEY USES OUR SURNAME TO HIDE THEIR LOW STATUS

  24. MAA-LI LOKAN D MAA DI FUDDI,,,,,,,,,,,,,,SAINI SIRF PUNJAB TE HARYANE CH HUNDE A,,,,SALYO THODE JIJE KHETI KRDE A,,,,,,,,,,,FUDDU MAA-LI APNI AUQAT LUKON LYI SAINIYAN DA NAAM KHRAB KRI JANDE RANDE SALE

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